The Chief of IDEAS called me up yesterday afternoon to clarify his position on Article 153 of the Federal Constitution. (refer my notes at the end of Wan Saiful's statement)
from Wan Saiful Wan Jan via email to rockybru@gmail.com 20 Sept 2013 at 8.53pm
IT IS REALLY AMAZING how quickly things can go wrong if you take your eyes off the blogosphere and twitterland. Even those who know you personally could change their minds simply by reading a few tweets.
I have recently been accused of calling for the abolishment of the special position of Islam and the Malays, based on what I said at an event in the afternoon of Malaysia Day (Monday 16 Sept). But I missed the first few days of this development because I had to tend to my mother, who fell ill on that Monday evening and is now in hospital. As a result of not following these developments, I am now accused by some as a traitor.
I am still not 100percent “back in the game” and I won’t be until my mother is fully discharged. But I thought I should quickly come up with a brief explanation. I called Dato Rocky earlier and he very kindly suggested I send this explanation to him so that other critics can also read it. Please forgive me for the brevity and lack of details as I am typing this from a crowded emergency room of a hospital (with a non-functioning aircond and very stuffy). I am happy to chat about all these later if necessary, but for now, I just want to clarify some of the wrong allegations against me.
My actual message is as follows:
- I know quite a few people are talking about how the special position of Islam and the Malays is discriminatory. I too have been debating this for quite some time.
- But I am worried about how some quarters approach this issue. Some are very aggressive and make demands for immediate change. Others take it too emotionally such that the issue is treated as a taboo that cannot be discussed. These dynamics have driven discussions underground, and this is not healthy.
- The best way forward is for us to not treat this issue as a taboo, but instead engage in healthy conversation *if* we really want to discuss it.
- And certainly no one should expect or demand for any change to happen immediately. You will just end up frustrated and angry (and usually more aggressive too). If any, you’ll be lucky to see a change 10-15 years down the line. This is a huge issue and it will take time to be digested rationally, if at all.
Let me also clarify my own position on these issues:
- I am a beneficiary of various government support programmes. I have also seen so many successful individuals who have benefitted from the same assistance.
- As a result of what I have seen over the years, I have come to the conclusion that the position of both Islam and the Malays does not need legal protection. Islam is a strong religion on its own. And the Malays have proven that we can stand on our own two feet.
- It is therefore better for the various protectionist measures to be stopped. I see legal protection as a weakness. I believe in individual responsibility and we as individuals should defend our own identities. I am fully aware that this position is new and is still unacceptable to many, and if so, I hope we can courteously agree to disagree.
So let me make this clear. My belief comes out of conviction of our ability to compete and succeed. We are strong enough to stand on our own feet, and, most importantly, to help each other without being dependent on the government.
By extension I feel that protectionism is a sign of weakness and I refuse to accept that a whole ethno-religious group is weak simply because of who they are. I appreciate that this worldview may differ from those who see protectionism as a right that must be defended, and I appreciate that even though we have different views, that view has its merit too. I just hope that we can focus on the end aim, which I think is, actually, quite similar, and make space for differences in the methods to achieve that ultimate aim.
Again, apologies for not responding earlier. But I hope to be back “online” properly in the near future.
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Notes:
1. Scroll down for the Bahasa Melayu version
2. The blog that gave Wan Saiful a drubbing over the Article 153 is Pure Shiite. Read the posting h e r e.
3. SatD aka Monkey (pic) based his posting on the news report by the Malay Mail Online, excerpts below; full article h e r e.
(The MM Online is run bydefects - my apologies, the word I wanted was defectors - from the Malaysian Insider, the not-so-pro-Najib news portal).
My actual message is as follows:
- I know quite a few people are talking about how the special position of Islam and the Malays is discriminatory. I too have been debating this for quite some time.
- But I am worried about how some quarters approach this issue. Some are very aggressive and make demands for immediate change. Others take it too emotionally such that the issue is treated as a taboo that cannot be discussed. These dynamics have driven discussions underground, and this is not healthy.
- The best way forward is for us to not treat this issue as a taboo, but instead engage in healthy conversation *if* we really want to discuss it.
- And certainly no one should expect or demand for any change to happen immediately. You will just end up frustrated and angry (and usually more aggressive too). If any, you’ll be lucky to see a change 10-15 years down the line. This is a huge issue and it will take time to be digested rationally, if at all.
Let me also clarify my own position on these issues:
- I am a beneficiary of various government support programmes. I have also seen so many successful individuals who have benefitted from the same assistance.
- As a result of what I have seen over the years, I have come to the conclusion that the position of both Islam and the Malays does not need legal protection. Islam is a strong religion on its own. And the Malays have proven that we can stand on our own two feet.
- It is therefore better for the various protectionist measures to be stopped. I see legal protection as a weakness. I believe in individual responsibility and we as individuals should defend our own identities. I am fully aware that this position is new and is still unacceptable to many, and if so, I hope we can courteously agree to disagree.
So let me make this clear. My belief comes out of conviction of our ability to compete and succeed. We are strong enough to stand on our own feet, and, most importantly, to help each other without being dependent on the government.
By extension I feel that protectionism is a sign of weakness and I refuse to accept that a whole ethno-religious group is weak simply because of who they are. I appreciate that this worldview may differ from those who see protectionism as a right that must be defended, and I appreciate that even though we have different views, that view has its merit too. I just hope that we can focus on the end aim, which I think is, actually, quite similar, and make space for differences in the methods to achieve that ultimate aim.
Again, apologies for not responding earlier. But I hope to be back “online” properly in the near future.
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1. Scroll down for the Bahasa Melayu version
2. The blog that gave Wan Saiful a drubbing over the Article 153 is Pure Shiite. Read the posting h e r e.
3. SatD aka Monkey (pic) based his posting on the news report by the Malay Mail Online, excerpts below; full article h e r e.
(The MM Online is run by
------ Bahasa Melayu version:
Banyak sekali perkara yang boleh berlaku apabila kita tidak memerhatikan dunia blog dan twitter. Mereka yang kita kenali secara peribadi pun boleh menukar pandangan semata-mata kerana membaca beberapa tweet.
Baru-baru ini ada yang menuduh bahawa saya mahu kedudukan istimewa Islam dan Melayu dihapuskan, berdasarkan laporan mengenai apa yang saya katakan dalam satu majlis pada petang Hari Malaysia (Isnin 16 September) baru-baru ini. Tetapi saya terlepas pandang perkembangan ini semasa ia mula berlaku kerana pada malam Isnin yang sama, saya terpaksa membawa ibu saya yang sakit ke hospital. Hasilnya, ada yang menuduh saya dengan pelbagai tuduhan.
Saya masih belum dapat kembali aktif sepenuhnya sehinggalah ibu saya sembuh. Tetapi saya rasa elok juga saya memberi penjelasan ringkas dahulu buat masa ini. Saya menelefon Dato Rocky tadi dan beliau berbaik hati mencadangkan saya menghantar email kepada beliau, agar orang lain juga boleh membaca apa yang saya tulis. Tetapi saya mohon maaf kerana tidak dapat memberikan penjelasan yang panjang kerana saya menaip ini pun dari bilik kecemasan yang agak sibuk (dan panas) di hospital. Jika perlu, boleh sahaja kita berbual lanjut. Tetapi buat masa ini, saya mahu memberi penjelasan ringkas dahulu.
Mesej saya sebenarnya ialah:
- Saya sedar ada yang sedang membahaskan betapa kedudukan istimewa Islam dan Melayu adalah satu diskriminasi. Saya juga terlibat dalam perbualan-perbualan ini.
- Tetapi saya bimbang mengenai cara sesetengah pihak membicarakan isu ini. Ada yang begitu agresif menuntut perubahan serta-merta. Ada pula yang amat emosional sehingga isu ini menjadi satu taboo yang tidak boleh dibincangkan langsung. Dinamika ini menyebabkan wujudnya perbincangan di belakang tabir yang saya rasa amat tidak sihat.
- Cara terbaik ialah untuk kita tidak menjadikan isu ini sebagai satu taboo. Jika ia mahu dibicarakan, bicarakanlah dengan sihat.
- Dan saya juga merasakan adalah tidak realistik membuat tuntutan merobah segalanya serta merta. Jika inilah cara anada, anda akan menjadi kecewa dan marah (dan biasanya lebih agresif juga). Jika anda bernasib baik dan boleh mengemudi isu ini dengan baik sekali pun, mungkin perubahan akan mengambil masa 10-15 tahun. Ini isu besar yang memerlukan masa untuk dihadamkan secara rasional.
Izinkan juga saya menyatakan pendirian saya dalam isu ini:
- Saya adalah produk daripada pelbagai program bantuan kerajaan. Saya juga mengenali beberapa individu yang berjaya hasil daripada bantuan ini.
- Hasil daripada apa yang saya perhatikan selama ini, saya kini yakin bahawa kedudukan Islam dan Melayu tidak memerlukan perlindungan undang-undang atau perlembagaan. Islam adalah satu cara hidup yang kuat. Dan bangsa Melayu juga telah membuktikan bahawa bangsa ini boleh berjaya dan berdikari.
- Maka adalah lebih baik jika perlindungan-perlindungan yang wujud tidak dikekalkan. Saya melihat prlindungan dan bantuan kerajaan sebagai satu kelemahan. Saya yakin dengan konsep tanggungjawab individu dan kita sebagai individulah yang mesti mempertahankan dan memuliakan identiti kita sendiri. Saya tahu pandangan ini agak baru dan masih tidak diterima oleh banyak pihak. Maka saya harap jika kita berbeza pandangan, kita boleh berbeza pandangan dengan sihat.
Jadi ringkasnya, pandangan saya adalah hasil daripada keyakinan bahawa kita boleh bersaing dan berjaya. Kita cukup kuat untuk berdikari, dan, lebih penting lagi, kita juga boleh membantu satu sama lain jika perlu, tanpa bergantung kepada kerajaan.
Baru-baru ini ada yang menuduh bahawa saya mahu kedudukan istimewa Islam dan Melayu dihapuskan, berdasarkan laporan mengenai apa yang saya katakan dalam satu majlis pada petang Hari Malaysia (Isnin 16 September) baru-baru ini. Tetapi saya terlepas pandang perkembangan ini semasa ia mula berlaku kerana pada malam Isnin yang sama, saya terpaksa membawa ibu saya yang sakit ke hospital. Hasilnya, ada yang menuduh saya dengan pelbagai tuduhan.
Saya masih belum dapat kembali aktif sepenuhnya sehinggalah ibu saya sembuh. Tetapi saya rasa elok juga saya memberi penjelasan ringkas dahulu buat masa ini. Saya menelefon Dato Rocky tadi dan beliau berbaik hati mencadangkan saya menghantar email kepada beliau, agar orang lain juga boleh membaca apa yang saya tulis. Tetapi saya mohon maaf kerana tidak dapat memberikan penjelasan yang panjang kerana saya menaip ini pun dari bilik kecemasan yang agak sibuk (dan panas) di hospital. Jika perlu, boleh sahaja kita berbual lanjut. Tetapi buat masa ini, saya mahu memberi penjelasan ringkas dahulu.
Mesej saya sebenarnya ialah:
- Saya sedar ada yang sedang membahaskan betapa kedudukan istimewa Islam dan Melayu adalah satu diskriminasi. Saya juga terlibat dalam perbualan-perbualan ini.
- Tetapi saya bimbang mengenai cara sesetengah pihak membicarakan isu ini. Ada yang begitu agresif menuntut perubahan serta-merta. Ada pula yang amat emosional sehingga isu ini menjadi satu taboo yang tidak boleh dibincangkan langsung. Dinamika ini menyebabkan wujudnya perbincangan di belakang tabir yang saya rasa amat tidak sihat.
- Cara terbaik ialah untuk kita tidak menjadikan isu ini sebagai satu taboo. Jika ia mahu dibicarakan, bicarakanlah dengan sihat.
- Dan saya juga merasakan adalah tidak realistik membuat tuntutan merobah segalanya serta merta. Jika inilah cara anada, anda akan menjadi kecewa dan marah (dan biasanya lebih agresif juga). Jika anda bernasib baik dan boleh mengemudi isu ini dengan baik sekali pun, mungkin perubahan akan mengambil masa 10-15 tahun. Ini isu besar yang memerlukan masa untuk dihadamkan secara rasional.
Izinkan juga saya menyatakan pendirian saya dalam isu ini:
- Saya adalah produk daripada pelbagai program bantuan kerajaan. Saya juga mengenali beberapa individu yang berjaya hasil daripada bantuan ini.
- Hasil daripada apa yang saya perhatikan selama ini, saya kini yakin bahawa kedudukan Islam dan Melayu tidak memerlukan perlindungan undang-undang atau perlembagaan. Islam adalah satu cara hidup yang kuat. Dan bangsa Melayu juga telah membuktikan bahawa bangsa ini boleh berjaya dan berdikari.
- Maka adalah lebih baik jika perlindungan-perlindungan yang wujud tidak dikekalkan. Saya melihat prlindungan dan bantuan kerajaan sebagai satu kelemahan. Saya yakin dengan konsep tanggungjawab individu dan kita sebagai individulah yang mesti mempertahankan dan memuliakan identiti kita sendiri. Saya tahu pandangan ini agak baru dan masih tidak diterima oleh banyak pihak. Maka saya harap jika kita berbeza pandangan, kita boleh berbeza pandangan dengan sihat.
Jadi ringkasnya, pandangan saya adalah hasil daripada keyakinan bahawa kita boleh bersaing dan berjaya. Kita cukup kuat untuk berdikari, dan, lebih penting lagi, kita juga boleh membantu satu sama lain jika perlu, tanpa bergantung kepada kerajaan.
Lanjutan itu, saya juga merasakan bahawa perlindungan adalah tanda kelemahan dan saya tidak menerima pandangan bahawa sesuatu bangsa atau agama itu lemah semata-mata kerana latar belakang keturunan mereka. Saya faham bahawa pandangan ini berbeza daripada mereka yang merasakan bahawa perlindungan adalah hak yang perlu dipertahankan. Dan walaupun kita berbeza pandangan, saya menerima bahawa pandangan itu juga mempunyai merit. Saya hanya berharap agar kita boleh memfokuskan perhatian kepada matlamat akhir kita, dan, saya rasa sebenarnya matlamat akhir kita tidak jauh bezanya. Dalam tu, buka lah ruang untuk wujud perbezaan cara dalam mencapai matlamat yang sama itu.
Sekali lagi, maaf kerana tidak dapat memberi respon lebih awal. Tetapi saya harap insha-Allah saya akan dapat kembali aktif secepat mungkin.
Sekali lagi, maaf kerana tidak dapat memberi respon lebih awal. Tetapi saya harap insha-Allah saya akan dapat kembali aktif secepat mungkin.
keep all the damn screwed position and implement all those fcuking empowerment thingy...
ReplyDeleteno nid to do anything for the non... and if have balls fcuking hell dont collect taxes from the non... lancau kenot right ?
What a jerk
ReplyDeleteShalelalela
What a jerk
ReplyDeleteShalelalela
Bukankah sisa-sisa yang kekal hari ini disebabkan oleh pengekalan undang2 dalam maksud memeliharanya.
ReplyDeleteJika 'protection' itu dimansuhkan awal - rasanya kita juga jadi palestine.
Apakah Melayu lebih kuat dan hebat dari orang palestine?
nak usik2 153 tuh buat apa? takde keje lain ka?
ReplyDeleteaku lempang anak polis nih baru tau!
Moderates- global movement for moderation
ReplyDeleteTahap bahaya sama macam ENDLESS POSSIBILTIES liberal centrist kaum bangsawan KJ(sahabat saifudin Moderate, Air Asia Jonathan Jason pork chop dan kerabat anak Yang pertuan N9,btw REmbau is in N).
Tolak Moderates, tolak kaum anti Melayu,tolak KJ,Tolak Ah Jib Gor Gong,Tolak ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES,tolak the best is yet to come Ah jib Gor Gong tolak bapak sekolah vernakular).
Kita perlu perdana menteri baru.
arjuna waspada
changkat lobak.
16 yrs in the UK?
ReplyDeleteshould take out mudder from hospital,
no need for affirmative doctors.
bloody idiot!
Anom 10:56 lancau
ReplyDeleteJust give up your citizenship, then you dont hv to pay taxes to The malay government
Lancau lu
A true leader mind works better under pressure. Character of H***** are making excuses.
ReplyDeleteDatuk budak dari IDEAS ni memenang bangang, bila dah kena gertak dia buat mak dia lah atuk dian lah yang gering sebagai alasan atas kebodohan dia.
ReplyDeleteMealyu, kalau ada sasiapa yang percaya yang masih kuat dari segi ekonomi dan tidak perlu perlindungan macam kat Wan Taik ni memang lah bodoh.
Melayu di tahap masih berpecah belah ni harus ada mechanisma iuntuk mempertahankan hak mereka.
Anak anak raja dan mereka saperti budak hinggus basah yang mahu hak istimewa Melayu di mansuhkah, boleh balik ke London kat apartment mereka dan minum single malt dan ber diskussi secara intellectual dengan orang putih, tapi hak melayu dalam perlembagaan ni tak usah di bingkar bingkar kan dan di bincang bincang kan.
Melayu harus sedar diri mereka ni masih chapek lagi dari segi apa apa pun, dan hapuskan kan perangai bodoh sombong mereka ni ye!
What do you want to call it then motherfu*%er!
ReplyDeleteIni bukan satu penjelasan tetapi ianya adalah satu penekanan terhadap pemikiran beliau untuk menghapus keistimewaan orang Melayu dan islam.
ReplyDeleteNyata sekarang apa yang tersirat dalam hatinya telah pun tersurat dalam penjelasan ini.
Manusia hipokrit jenis apakah ini?
what he has explained got nothing to do with 'legal protection' of the bumioutera and Islam.
ReplyDeleteThe issue that he missed to comprehend is how to deal with chauvinist-racist-opportunist who will rob you if you are not protected.
Therefore certain acts are introduced to safeguard and to further uphold the position of both Islam and bumiputera propotionately with the amount of scrupulous and unconstitutional attacks received from these pseudo liberalist.
Can he assure by dismantling the protections, these rasist and chauvinistic of DAP, Dong zong, uthayakumar, will stay quitely at home and forget to steal all your belongings in your own backyards?
Dei Wan Saiful
ReplyDeleteDon't try to be a contrite smartarse here pretending that you never called for abolition, fuckhead.
Let me tell you something cuntlouse. Your whole statement smacks of spineless condescension. The gist of it is as clear as daylight ' I am all for repeal of those privileges as I am wedded to the idea Malays can compete on merit'
That is pure liberal hogwash cant disguised to foist your Chingk dominance agenda on us. Let me tell you something, arsehole. I am a Melayu and I competed on merit to get my job with an American MNC giant. I performed my tasks and rose on merit. And now as a free lance consultant, I win jobs on merit not like your cock shit arselicking pseudo Malay pals
But it makes me laugh to hear of you spouting about merit when you don't have an inkling what merit means and how it operates in the Chingk pig realm called the private sector. In that squalid pig pen, merit means a pale yellow face with slit eyes on, it means proficiency in a chingchong language with chicken scribblings and twisted noodles as its script, it means the art of arselicking and cocksuckling the unwashed arsed yellow faced pig who passes of as the boss, it means outright rejection once your name on the resume resembles Osama's
http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/2012/11/race-discrimination-in-hiring-practices.html
it means lower pay despite same qualifications:
http://yoursdp.org/news/ethnic_income_inequality_due_to_state_discrimination_prof/2004-05-17-3702
it means preparedness to swill bah kut teh and the dexterity to hold two fucking sticks to pinch a morsel of food like certain monkeys do:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41991039/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/innovative-monkeys-stick-it-tasty-termites/#.Uj02OecayK0
and it means many more to Chingkdom. And that's real world protectionism for you, dumbkopf of a douchebag.
And that's the job world, for starters, I am not talking about the broader economy yet so don't get me started on that one with tons of data to boot. I know cos I have seen capable pals passed over for promotion etc at the Chingkdom they work in and I know of many capable would be entrepreneurs being fobbed off on the dint of their names as I do of many equally capable service providers.
Warrior 231
Part 2
ReplyDeleteDei bastard clitleech, your trash about jettisoning the legislation is pretty clear now. You want it off the statute books simply because you see it an impediment to your Chingk masters. You see, once the stuff is repealed, there would be no stopping the pigs from running roughshod over everything under the guise of their hogwashed meritocracy. And there would be no way left to contain them legally. Those provisions are there to precisely contain that ethnic Armageddon. Just think fuckhead, if there are no such laws what would the bumis turn to to address inequitability in opportunities? That piece of legislation is there as a safety valve. It intimates silently, ' I am here to unleash a legal pogrom if you pigs cross the line' and the pigs are clamouring for its removal precisely cos they want to commence their economic apocalypse.
And you are working damn hard to facilitate their desire, what an effing, shitbrained, pompous Melayu scumbag you are. If you are leery of that legislation, why don't you go the whole hog? Campaign to remove Equal Opportunities laws in all their guises. After all based on your fuckedup logic, they are tiresome, protective legal anomalies, right?
Why attack only those enshrined provisions, johnjuicing scumbag? Why don't you call for the abolition of vernacular education and get your bastard pals to compete on merit in National Language medium schools? That would show how capable the pigs are in an equal environment rather than in a fortified ghetto. And while at it, get your neoliberal pals in the government, jettison all the protective stuff they have in there for Chingk dominated SMEs. That would show whether those SMEs have the cockmuscles to compete.
The way I see it, you are some spineless, cockless, apologist melayu ( note the small "m') trying your best to pride yourself as some heavyweight intellectual like your journeyman fuckhead friends like Azmi Shaom, Mohd Ariff etc are won't to do just to get some cheapskate thrills from all that clapping and back slapping and arse patting from the anti Malay gallery.
But reality screams otherwise. Just sedar diri that you are nothing more than pipsqueak lightweight wannabe intellectual douchebag. That would help yer soul searching for starters, useless piece of shit.
P/s : as a Melayu Muslim Bermaruah, I will still say a prayer for your Melayu mother though. Our Adab and Santun remains no matter what, only scumbags of your ilk do not deserve it to be wasted upon in the least!
Warrior 231
wan saiful ...you don't need to reiterate nor refute of how malay and muslim see you. Don't know how your brain works. Better go thru the Perlembagaan and correct your mind with real true history. Your IDEAS and vision so funny and you looks like a jerk trying to be brilliant.
ReplyDeleteWell, anon arsehole 1056am
ReplyDeleteDeal! Yep we can do that.
But that also means expropriation of your property for exemption from cukai Tanah as it sits on our Tanah.
Then we pen you in like pigs in some squalid barbed wire refugee camp. And if ever Thailand, Indonesia etc launch a war for fun, we let them shoot you to smithereens like pigs as we have no need to defend yer fucking lives since YOU are exempted from tax and WE are exempted from extending protection.
Me thinks you are proposing a good deal there! I will take it anytime. Expropriation of wealth plus mass culling to exterminate your kind, wow!
Warrior 231
Apa beza dengan apa yang dicakapnya sebelum ni?
ReplyDeletePutar belit betul.
Bagi alasan Islam dan Melayu dah kuat konon.
IDEAS kuat sangatkah?Funding siapa bagi?
Quote "So let me make this clear. My belief comes out of conviction of our ability to compete and succeed. We are strong enough to stand on our own feet, and, most importantly, to help each other without being dependent on the government.
ReplyDeleteBy extension I feel that protectionism is a sign of weakness and I refuse to accept that a whole ethno-religious group is weak simply because of who they are."
Isn't this exactly mean you want them to be scrapped, be it 10-15 or 20 years?
Dear Want Saiful, when you benefited from the protective system and is now strong, don't undermine others who are not in the fortunate position as you. It is easy for you to say it as a sign of weakness when you already strong as a result of benefiting from the system.
As for Islam, it is not just about protecting the religion, it is about establishing order and avoid ethno-religion conflict and confusion. It is about giving precedence to one religion (Islam since it is the majority as well as the tradition of this country) over the other so every religion knows their position, what the can and cannot do in this country.
"..emergency room of a hospital (with a non-functioning aircond and very stuffy)"
ReplyDeleteIs it a government hospital? Macam mana ni.. I thought
"..help each other without being dependent on the government"
just sayin
Anonymous 10:56AM,
ReplyDeleteYou pay taxes as a citizen, you get exclusive citizen rights. What citizen rights do you think the nons are willing to give away by not paying taxes?
just sayin
Firslty, my sympathy to your mom.
ReplyDeleteOrg yg sakit kena dirawat, dijaga dan diberi layanan extra. Just macam your mom. Takkan mak u yg sakit nak disuruh berjalan dan berlari mcm org sihat. I bet dia duduk dan org lain tolak tolak dia atas wheel chair. Sbb dia sakit.
Org melayu Islam di Malaysia masih sakit bro. Just because you sihat, jgn la treat macam semua orang sihat.
Minta guna hati juga. Jangan pakai akal oversea you saje. Zaman Umar dia tak bagi masuk ke Madinah org2yg sembah berhala melainkn yg beliau bagi personal excuse -- walaupun ini tak dibuat pd zaman Nabi. Sebab beliau lihat bangsa ni lain mcm dendamnya terhadap Islam. Telahan beliau betul, yg tikam beliau sampai mati akhirnya ialah 1 penyembah api yg duduk di Madinah.
Kasihanlah pd org sakit. Cuba balik kampung tengok berapa ratus ribu anak Melayu yg sedang "sakit".
I can see where he's going with this - if there's "enough" Malays who benefited from the NEP and become successful, why do you need to have special rights?
ReplyDeleteThe questions for BN here is, how come after decades in power, it is still not "enough?"
The guy writes an intelligent and balanced response and gets barked at hysterically.
ReplyDeleteHe's only saying that spoonfeeding is wrong and that Malays (no, not "Bumis", please, because the govt has done pretty much jack shit for any other ethnic group that falls under that description)can stand on their own two feet.
Simple, kan.
Not wrong, kan.
The counter-argument...is that a stopgap article that was never intended to allow greedy politicians to raid the national coffers decades later, should continue.
If you believe that counter-argument, well, I feel sorry for you.
Wan katik ni buta sejarah lah, kesiannya......
ReplyDeletehe freaked out. perhaps now he knows a thing or two about silent warriors of article 153.
ReplyDeleteif he is sincere, i dont think the 'my actual message' is something necessary to be explain. discriminatory, taboo, digest rationally, 10-15 years - these words dont need to exist in the first place
special position on Islam and Malay WILL REMAIN forever as they ARE. u chubby understand? the two WILL NEVER BE CHANGE in anyway.
so u get real and adapt. if u dont want to adapt, u know where to go.
and regarding your position.
jesus christ, are u saying legal protection isnt need for article 153. do u know what it means article 153? it is the constitution - the HIGHEST legal document ever. there is nothing to top perlembagaan
ur basis on argument to strip legal protection simply because u think its a sign of weakness. for petes sake this is the cheapest dirt shitbag i ever come across.
let me simplify to you. 153 is one partion of the perlembagaan. and it WILL STAY AS IT IS. standing on two feet doesnt has anything to do with stripping its legal protection.
okay chubby?
u made it and come back as big shot (sort of). so good for u. so now dont try stopping the other generations to make it big as you.
i have always argue that these orang putih jadians (most of them) dont fit to hold offices in country like ours. it is because they are tainted by thoughts that cant be used by our unique nation. they go study there, then got mind haywired, and come back create chaos.
Thats confusing..he is a beneficiary but he doesn't want the future generation to benefit from it.we already know that the bumis can compete with other races but what's the problem with acknowledging the bumis right with giving them special privileged?.. and do this guy think that the bumis is on same level of playing field with the chinese? .. the chinese has been given a long head start by the British while the bumis has been neglected. Without all this government intervention where will he be now?.. he enjoyed the privileged but he doesn't want future generation to have the same. what a selfish bastard..
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Kenapa Wan Saiful tidak menolak his so called "crutches" sebelum dia pergi ke negri omputeh dulu?
ReplyDeleteKenapa bila dia dah balik dan berjaya dalam hidup sendiri dia mula nak buang "crutches" yang dulu dia yang pakai supaya orang lain tak boleh pakai?
Bukankah hypocrisy namannya ini?
Memang ramai Melayu yang berjaya denga "crutches" tapi masih ramai lagi Melayu yang memerlukan supaya jurang kemiskinan dikurangkan.
Sedarkah Wan Saiful berapa ramai MElayu yang mamapu membeli rumah bernilai atas RM200K? Berapa ramai Melayu yang mampu memiliki rumah2 kedai di bandar2?
Memang orang MElayu mampu berusaha untuk berjaya dalam kehidupan dan terbukti Wan Saiful sala sorang daripada mereka. Tapi butakah mata Wan Saiful tentang keadaan ekonomi dan kewangan Bangsa Melayu di negara? Berapa ramai yang amapu menghantar anak2 kesekalah elit supaya anak2 mereka berpeluang lebih untuk berjaya?
Apa yang nyata, Wan Saiful adalah manusia yang mementingkan diri sendiri dan tidak membantu masyarakatnya.
Mungkin juga beliau ada penyakit lupa diri setelah beliau sendiri telah berjaya dandari anak polis sekarang berkawan oran orang elit dan anak2 raja, beliau merapu seperti orang gila?
Dear wan saiful,
ReplyDeleteI do some NGO work in poverty areas and there are many many many Malays in these areas caught in a vicious cycle of poverty and hopelessness. They work hard to make a living . They need intervention and government programmes and support to give them the initial impetus. May i suggest that IDEAS go down to the ground and see the reality FIRST and bring your rich and highly educated friends with you before coming to a conclusion wrapped around an ivory tower, thank you.
Mungkin tak pernah keluar dari kuala lumpur dan melihat dengan mata rabunnya sendiri bagaimana susahnya orang melayu luar bandar. Dan betapa susahnya orang Melayu menahan sabar melihat kaum pendatang bermaharajalela di Tanah Melayu.
ReplyDeleteIn all of 'Warrior 231's snoozeworthy, disjointed and overlong rambling, there was only one point of interest (though the interest lies in exploring the answer, rather than in any interesting take on it provided by him):
ReplyDelete"Just think fuckhead, if there are no such laws what would the bumis turn to to address inequitability in opportunities?"
Hmmmmmm. Talent, drive, hard work, is part of the answer. That's life, unfortunately.
"Inequitability in opportunities" has existed for more than 4 decades, for the benefit of Malays (no, not Bumis as a whole), but that is the whole effect of interpreting legal provisions beyond their intended scope and duration. The "inequitability" (no such word, btw) has been huge, the scales tipped very heavily, and yet it hasn't worked.
I believe affirmative action in favour of Malays should exist, but it should reach those who actually need it, not corrupt politicians. That way, it has a chance of actually succeeding in its objectives.
As Warrior 123 or whatever proclaims through his thick haze of self-love, he made it to an American MNC giant on merit.
Whoopee.
As I stand to applaud this massive achievement, I'd only point out: yeah, so have thousands of others. I know dozens of Malays myself who have made it to the very top on merit. But they didn't suffer from paranoid ethnic Armageddon hysteria. They just got on with their jobs. With talent, drive, hard work. See above.
So enjoy your squalid little paranoid fantasies, Warrior 000. You have a right to, I suppose.
Just sedar diri that you are nothing more than a pipsqueak lightweight wannabe intellectual douchebag.
Whiny, too.
(Sorry, I cut and paste most of that last part. Malas, lah.)
The question remains , why the limitless special privileges have only spawned a small group of rich maserati driving Malays while the remaining are left to enjoy BR1M and other meagre sedekahs.
ReplyDeleteWhat has the likes of Dato Rocky has done to correct this?
The millionaire Malays keeps on complaining he's a poor chap while the really poor Malay remains, well really really poor.
Dato Rocky probably has all his kids studying at a foreign location while the really poor Malay kids starts smoking at 12, drops out of school at 16, marries at 21 and continue to struggle all his life.
The new bumi agenda has to ensure that the well connected Malays don't keep on raping the development funds meant for the real needy group.
By the way, I hope the maserati driving rich Malay take a drive to Cameron Highlands and see for himself how the other bumiputras, the orang also, live in deplorable conditions
A graduate in Management from NORTHUMBRIA University??
ReplyDeleteYou did your A levels in UK on government scholarship as the creme of the crop and you ended up doing Management in NORTHUMBRIA??
For the benefit of all, this lardass must have really fucked up his A levels so bad while enjoying a government scholarship that he ended up in what is in actually fact NEWCASTLE POLYTECHNIC!
A so called university that took up tonnes of substandard Mara diploma holders.
Whey.....chubby chups chump!
Engko ni confirm duduk kat Benwell or Fenham kan pasal Kalau muka darat ko duduk kat Jesmond or Sandyford confirm kena halau dengan Geordies.
Muka ko ni Memang kaki car boot sale kat tynemouth and kedai haji Brighton grove.
And you have the gall to act like an intellect?
Bloody dumb melayu intellect wannabe!
....special position of Islam and the Malays....ini wan saiful ada rumah kat pulau ke?
ReplyDeleteRocky kkau lah Melayu yang menyedarkan " Melayu Yg Mudah Lupa "
aku bangsa Bugis
Jhor
Protection is still needed irrespective of how well Malay can compete. The reason is because the Chinese are not competing fairly in many ways. For instance, the house developer, they have pre-launch where all the good unit are grabbed by certain quarters. Look at all the new shop houses. Who owns the prime unit like those at the corner or at the main junction. You think other race can get it?
ReplyDeleteThe trouble with the likes of Wan Saiful is that he tries to be politically correct. Keeping up with fashion. The result: he ends yp being an apologist for the chinese. I agree with the views expressed. This fella enjoyed the perks and privileges and now he he has made it, he says it is wrong and should be dismantled, the Malays must compete, excell, earn on merit. This man is a hypocrit. Even his explanation is so lame. Bringing in his sick mother to gain sympathy. He should take mummy to a private hospital if he is so against the welfare state. By the way, Wan Saiful has yetnto answervthe question whether he voted in the UK.
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PERINGATAN untuk Wan Saiful :-
ReplyDelete1. Ibu anda sakit masuk hospital. Anda prihatin dan anda jaga dengan baik. Anak soleh.
2. Ibu anda telah menjaga anda dari dalam perut sehingga sekarang. Dalam keadaan sakit dia masih buka mata mencari-cari pandang anak kesayangan nya. Jadi iktibar nya sama artikel 152 / 153 Perlembagaan telah menjaga dengan baik waris-waris terdahulu anda sehingga di zaman kehebatan anda ! Ada yang kurang?
3.KINI masa dan ketika ANDA pula bertanggung jawab penuh MENJAGA IBU anda! Bukan untuk 10 atau lima belas tahun tetapi selama hayat anda di kandung badan ! Maaf kata, sehingga ibu anda tiada lagi di sisi, Doa dan zikir anda menjaga nya di alam barzah. Begitu lah iktibar anda menjaga 152 / 153 dan yang semua termaktub di dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia. Di benam dan di sisip dalam dada pewaris keturunan anda kelak !
4. Mohon ampun dan maaf dari ibu anda segera.Nyawa nilai nya murah di sisi yang ESA. Takut anda jadi anak derhaka. Begitu juga natijah nya adab anda. Menderhaka kepada Bangsa, Agama dan Negara. Yang sudah baik terjaga jangan di robek binasa kerana ia perjuangan sia-sia di atas sedikit nama kebodohan lupa diri dengan kemewahan.
Bantu lah anak-anak waris Bangsa.
Tis chubby chub & his prince fren tat Abidin guy talked nonsense. Tell ur prince Abidin to abdicate his right to d NS throne when his time comes. Big time hypocrites
ReplyDeletewoi wan saiful, dulu kau pegi uk pakai scholarship gov, knp skrg kau nak hlg anak2 melayu miskin lain jgn dpt keistimewaan mcm tu...dasar mementingkan diri sendiri aje (selfish melampau kau ni)...
ReplyDeleteMalas lah nk debat pasal geng-geng bangang kat IDEAS ni. Mmg dari dulu sibuk nk bawak 'idea-idea bernas' balik dari luar, mcm la pandai sangat. Bila dah terlajak perahu, kena kepung dengan todak pakai 'crutches', mulalah menggelabah bagai sibuk cite psl mak sakit kt sepital yg panas dan berabuk konon. Cakap berbelit2. Bila ISA dan OD dimansuhkan, tengok apa jadi? Itu tak sampai 10-15 tahun pun lagi. Bangang la badak perasan ni!
ReplyDeleteOrang2 di IDEAS ingat di Malaysia tak ada intelektual yg boleh counter idea cetek mereka. Nah dah bertemu buku dgn ruas, baru dia orang tersentak. Most of their writings are whimsical and overly liberal , entirely disconnected with the complexities of the socio political and socio economic landscapes of Malaysia.
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ReplyDeleteSoory ah, I very late leply. I lot of work…too busy to wlite snoozewolthy leplies. Maybe too much work till I no time to ad hominem other people for fun sake or make meaningless life maningful. You knowlah to show my boss and fliends that I vely clever with put me down other people like Wallior 231. So I can blag at coffee machine for one week:
“whoopee (solly copy paste this one), today I go to Locky Blu and put down wallior 231. Leally, I no understand what he say, I put him down mah, I champion mah. Make my day mah.U all know ah, if I don’t put Wallior 231 down even one day, I sulely die, die wan. Life got no meaning wan if I cannot put down. I even look for glammar, vocabulaly mistake even if s typo, I don’t give chan…I wait for him only at Locky Blue and evelywhere to put him down. I don’t give comment on topic wan cos my blain no work so I like to put down only. Then I syiok sendili mah”
So what does “Talent, drive, hard work, is part of the answer. That's life, unfortunately” give us not born as pigs? It give us these mah:
1. For comparison, the observed wage gap between Chinese and Malay men is 17% (favouring Chinese). For women, interestingly, the observed wage gap also actually favoured Chinese women.
(From a study on NEP impact 1998)
2. Columns (1), (4), and (7) show that there are interethnic differences in wages; Malays and Indians
earn less than Chinese………………..Due to the sample selection problem, and since the estimates for the
weighted sample and Heckman correction methodologies are consistent, I focus on the latter two results
in columns (6) and (9). Malay secondary school graduates earn between -0.526 and -0.634 less than their
Chinese counterparts, and these estimates are statistically significant at the 1 percent level.
(From a study on Wages in 1999)
3. The Heckman correction methodology in column (9) yields estimated Malay-Chinese wage differentials of
-0.313 for the pre-policy cohorts, and -0.553 for the post-1953 cohorts, although these results are
statistically significant only at the 10 percent level. The widening of the Malay-Chinese wage gap
indicate that compared to pre-policy Malays, Malays who obtained tertiary education in the NEP era see a
lower return to their education, relative to the Chinese.
(from somewhere in 2000s)
4. Regarding the issue of ethnic discrimination, the parametric results seem to indicate that
Malays (men and women) are discriminated. For women the extent of `discrimination' is between
21% and 25%, for men between 23% and 27%.
(Another Study 1999)
Well all the above affirms a study done by a graduate from Nanyang University in Singapore wherein he surmised this:
http://portal.hss.ntu.edu.sg/eaea2012/submitpapers%5Cpapers%5C153%5Cwagedifferential.pdf
Solly ah, pig…I malas nak link any of the excerpts above where got melit wan if don’t give u chance to hunt. You hard working one with talent to look and dlive to find. Also all the people who did that leserach not palanoidlah if not their melit wolrd class univelsity will kick them out. And goodlah, you know many Malay who go up on melit, maybe after licking your arse, eh chingkpig. You see you folgot something about yourself vely vely vely long time ago: you alleady born stupid pig. Sure you copy, counterfeit, moneylaunder, duplicate wan. Where you got oliginality, collect or not? Maybe I lemind you:
“Just sedar diri that you are nothing more than a pipsqueak lightweight wannabe intellectual douchebag. Whiny, and more, a motherfucking fuckhead and fuckarse loser too”.
(Solly, I cut and paste MOST of that last part but still add a bit of oliginal to my oliginal one which you steal. A lot of work to do mah, no time to be malas mah and cheat people, or steal their money like a pig, mah.). No go share your momma with Shitful.
Warrior 231
si saiful ni aku panggil anak apek lagi ngam, berok pun sakit kepala ikut gelagat kau ....
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Johor
Salam Datuk Rocky, terima kasih kerana telah meletakkan beberapa pos tentang gelagat kanak-kanak Permata Buntang di IDEAS. Sememangya, potensi mereka untuk berbicara tanpa menggunakan organ di dalam tengkorak mereka secara optimum, tidak dapat disangkal lagi.
ReplyDeleteSaya telah berpeluang membaca banyak nukilan dan pendapat mereka sejak mereka bergiat dalam Malaysia Think Tank London. Boleh saya simpulkan, kebanyakkan cadangan serta pendapat mereka tidak dapat saya terima memandangkan saya adalah orang melayu kolot yang tidak lupa daratan. Pendek kata, I am not one of those overpriced coconuts from Waitrose. Sungguhpun begitu, jika kita amati jumlah orang melayu yang dapat ke luar negara menggunakan 'tongkat' masih lagi kecil berbanding mereka yang mampu pergi tanpa 'tongkat'. Tidak seperti Wan Saiful, mungkin Tunku Abidin adalah dari golongan yang dapat pergi tanpa 'tongkat'? Mungkin IDEAS juga boleh jalankan "kajian" mengapa jumlah orang Melayu, secara relatifnya, masih kurang dapat melanjutkan pengajian ke luar negara walaupun diberi 'tongkat'? Bukan itu sahaja, banyak lagi kajian tentang kepincangan sosioekonomi orang Melayu yang boleh dilakukan. Terlalu banyak sehinggakan saya percaya jika Wan Saiful memberikan komitmen masa untuk menjalankan kajian ilmiah yang sebenar, beliau tidak akan ada masa untuk melalut tentang Hak Istimewa Orang Melayu dan setelah tersentak, mula merengek tentang masalah memberikan tumpuan kerana sibuk menunggu ibunya di hospital yang panas dan berhabuk. Kenapa tidak dihantar sahaja ke Cromwell Hospital?
Kebanyakkan pendapat mereka di IDEAS saya dapati tidak mengambil kira senario dan realiti sebenar yang dihadapi oleh orang Melayu sekarang. Ini sangat dikesali lebih-lebih lagi jika wang cukai ibubapa saya telah digunakan untuk memberi Wan Saiful 'tongkat' supaya berpeluang pergi ke luar negara dan bertanding pilihanraya tempatan atas tiket Parti Konservatif, satu parti yang sangat terkenal dengan menjaga kebajikan serta kepentingan orang-orang kaya di UK. Lihat sahaja apa yang parti itu lakukan di UK sekarang, mereka begitu alah dengan 'welfare state' sama macam Wan Saiful melalui tulisan terkini beliau.
Saya malas nak komen tentang Tunku Abidin. Jika saya membaca nukilan pendapat beliau (atau baginda?) dalam the Star tanpa melihat namanya (atau nama baginda?),saya mungkin tersilap ianya telah ditulis oleh orang Melayu. Tidak salah memberikan pendapat, tetapi tolong ingat batas-batasnya.
I sincerely hope that these IDIOTS at IDEAS, akan menggunakan otak (brain) lebih dari mulut(mouth) mereka. If you have nothing appropriate to say, especially when it concerns the Malay Specail Rights, please learn to limit your remarks to the weather. And yes, the Malaysian weather is significantly more interesting than the predictably wet and cloudy England.
Terima kasih sekali lagi Datuk Rocky.
mantap :D
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