"Tun Dr M must not apologize". A commenter sent me a half-liner to alert me of this new blog called Mahathirism, set up by people who claim to be the former PM's supporters.
The first posting is has to do with Tun Saleh Abas. I am meeting the former Lord President this morning to resume work on his upcoming auto/biography.
Friday, April 11, 2008
Mahathirism the Blog
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I say bro.... after watching the conspiracy Youtube videos on Haris Ibrahim's blog, I'm real sick of the former PM. Now you tell me that there is such a thing as Mahathirism, sheesh...
ReplyDeleteAgak-agak bila buku Tun Salleh tu nak siap? Reserve me a copy please. Tq.
One would apologise if one feels remose; therefore do you think that Mahatir feels any regret at all for whatever most Malaysians feel and all lawyers believe he has done wrong to Tun Salleh ? I doubt it very much, but then, if we are to believe and expect Mahatir to feel remorse then we will have to also believe that he has at least an acceptable measure of ETHICS which from his past performances show he has none whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteFrom my perspective the problem that arises from this dispute is a Malaysian societal one; Malaysia is LAWLESS AND WE DO NOT HAVE A CORE OF ETHICS. Malaysia is Lawless and immoral. What motivates us as Malaysians is whatever we can enrich ourselves and get away with.
Let me tell you why I say it as it is; the fact that the Attorney General has put an end to the investigation of the police report made against Mahatir, shows what Malaysian society is all about; get political influence and you can do whatever you want and get away free from impunity. This is what I myself expirenced at the hand of Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali. THE LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO THOSE WHO CAN BUY PROTECTION.
In Malaysia you can forget about protection of the Law; it does not exist.
Why Mahatir should apologise.
ReplyDeleteRead here: (Tun's Salleh words)
http://www.aliran.com/content/view/134/10/
baru satu posting saja bro ...
ReplyDeletethis days i do not wanna put in sopo sentral new blogs with posting less than 10 and show tendency to be hangat2 taik ayam.
letih nak remove bila dah mampuis balik nanti
lani banyak politician blogger yang bakal hangat2 taik ayam nak bukak blog ...
Hi Rocky, i read earlier about Seremban Umno division chief Ishak Ismail calling for a press conference on 'sabotage' in Seremban this morning. Should not miss his event Friday 10am @ Restoran Raudah, Jalan Rahang, Seremban. This guy is known among Umno people as a true Malay fighter and even the opposition has high regards for him. Don't expect MSM to cover his pc but bloggers would love him with his interesting quotes! Cheers Umno
ReplyDeleteMust be some Mahathir paid writer or dumb, ignorant bum.
ReplyDeleteWith TDM, you toe his line or pay the price.
Notwithstanding the motive behind Zaid Ibrahim's asking the Malaysian Government to apologise to Tun Saleh Abas, the Malaysian Government and especially Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad must apologise to Tun Saleh Abas. In fact not only must they apologise but also restore Tun Saleh Abas to a position of equal standing of a Lord President or Chief Justice as it is referred to now.
ReplyDeleteThe reason is very simple. The Government is still the very same BN Government that Dr Mahathir was riding on before. Thus the same Government is still owing Saleh Abas its apology. And of Dr Mahathir for retiring in comfort after assasinating the character and the career of Tun Saleh Abas. It was not a perception that Dr Mahathir had murdered the judiciary; it was real. Of course Dr Mahathir continues to deny it. But we were not born yesterday or just having a primary school mentality or common sense. Another person who should apologise is no other than the unrecognised Lord President, Tan Sri Hamid Omar (He doesnt deserve the 'Tun' that goes with the post of Lord President that's why I mention only Tan Sri.
The Judiciary is now rotten to the root is the work of none other than Dr Mahathir and Hamid Omar. And Saleh Abas 'died' in the course of fighting against great injustice.
Denying it will make them less dignified. The truth always prevails and we know the truth of Tun Saleh Abas's dismissal on 8th of August 1988. Look at Chua Soi Lek admitting the truth and the matter rests there. People have respect for him and even elected his son to the Parliament.
Time is coming for these people to repent and speak the truth because their days are numbered.
I do understand how difficult it was for Dr Mahathir to rule at that time with his own generals were against him, but he has no reason to mutilate the judiciary, which will certainly be written in the annal of history.
of course mahathir do not need to apologise. He is waiting to be sent to jail for all his unforgiven acgtions.
ReplyDeleteAbdullah to apologise??
ReplyDeletewww.apanama2020.blogspot.com
I wonder if they will link up to the UTube showing of The Anwar Trials?
ReplyDeleteWhen mistakes done
ReplyDeleteA leader must be willing to apologize
Being stubborn holding his ground
Thinking on the high
He expects other to bow down
The king of the people………………..?
Why it is hard to apologize?
No one should be high and mighty
Feeling the pulse of the people
One has to remember it is only a short while
Live the life of graciousness
Though one may think he has done no wrong
We are here for a while
Average around 78 years
Why make life miserable?
Go and make peace
It is the hall mark of a true leader
It doesn’t degrade one standing
In fact it brings cheer to many
A leader must be willing to accept
The wrong moves of past decisions
Though it may look correct then
Events followed the decisions then flawed
A leader should then revaluate his stand
If needs be, he has to say “I am sorry”
Yet many find it hard to say
We want to move on
Yet past mistakes holding us back
The political leaders aren’t good at PR
How do the nation progress?
Modern world with village mentality
It is time to wake up and glow
Let the light shines around
Correct the past mistakes and move on
Let us move in one cohesive nation
Without black spots in our minds
A tiger leaves behind his skin
ReplyDeleteWhile a man leaves behind his name
What's for the bin and what to spin
Honesty in legacy is still judged the same
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 110408
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
http://msi.Rocky101.com
Fri. 11th April 2008.
Mahathir must apologise to the citizens for removing the independence of Malaysian Judiciary!
ReplyDeleteIt is him who made the judiciary now has no power to charge the corrupt government!
Yeah!... and that Benggali Karpal can keep his bloody big mouth shut.
ReplyDeleteHah! And true to form of the dictator himself, they don't allow comments.
ReplyDeleteMahathirism indeed. A fitting name for that blog.
Rocky, check this out:
ReplyDeleteCommission on Mahathir's abuses needed
Param Cumaraswamy
Apr 11, 08 11:16am
(http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/81213)
The letter of Dr Mahathir Mohamad published in The Sun on April 8, 2008 and in particular the allegations he levelled at me should not go without a response.
The sworn testimony of Shafee Yahaya - in June 2000
In the second trial of Anwar Ibrahim, Mahathir was served with a subpoena by the defence. He applied and had the subpoena set aside on April 21, 2000. The trial continued until August 2000.
Shafee gave his testimony on June 12, 2000. Cross examination by public prosecutor did not cast any doubt on the truthfulness of Shafee’s testimony. Mahathir knew or ought to have known of that testimony. It was serious in nature. The proceedings were reported in the media the following day.
Surely the public prosecutor, who was Abdul Gani Patail, could have advised Mahathir to appear in court and refute the testimony under oath if Mahathir thought they were untrue.
Being of the serious nature of the testimony against him, Mahathir could have volunteered to appear to clear his reputation but he never did. The irresistible inference is that he was afraid of giving sworn testimony in a court of law.
There clearly is no justification for him to now complain that he “should at least be heard”. He had every opportunity.
It is learnt from media reports yesterday that investigations against Mahathir were carried out following Shafee’s sworn testimony and the papers submitted to the Attorney General on Feb 15, 2000.
This sounds incredible. Shafee’s testimony was recorded by the court only on June 12, 2000. What investigation papers were submitted to the Attorney General in February 2000?
In any event as Shafee’s testimony was sworn and in the public domain was a sworn statement then taken from Mahathir and if so can that be made public?
The Inspector General of Police is also reported to have said that the then AG Mohtar Abdullah, decided that there was no case.
Going by how that same AG in November 2000 cleared the then Chief Justice Eusoff Chin, of any wrong doing over the CJ’s holiday trip to New Zealand with VK Lingam, the integrity of some of Mohtar’s decisions during the Mahathir era will remain questionable.
It is also learnt from media reports yesterday that ACA’s investigation into the EPU Director General took three years from 1998 completed and submitted to the AG’s Chambers in 2001 and the file was closed for “lack of evidence”. This is puzzling.
The then EPU Director General was appointed to the high office of the governor of Bank Negara in September 1998 and he served in that office until April 2000.
Does this mean that Malaysia had a governor of the central bank who had an investigation for corruption pending against him throughout his tenure? What happened to the policy Malaysians were always told that those who are appointed to high office are always cleared by the special branch and other agencies before appointment?
There is something very unsettling about the statements of these three high officials of our enforcement agencies as reported in the media yesterday.
My ‘hatred’ for Mahathir
This is really amusing. Mahathir obviously ascribes to others his own motives and outlook.
It is well known that since about 1985 because of my public criticism of attempts to tamper with fundamental rights in the country he has hated me.
I was told by some ministers of his remarks about me sometimes even in cabinet meetings.
His hatred spilled over to New York and Geneva. On Sept 29, 1999 at the podium of the UN General Assembly in New York, he attacked me personally and the UN for appointing me as a special rapporteur.
In Geneva in April 2000 he directed the Malaysian mission there to block my reappointment as Special Rapporteur by the Commission on Human Rights. That failed.
Malaysia appeared a laughing stalk before that commission session.
The UN immunity issue
His remarks that I made libellous statements about a fellow Malaysian and sought immunity as the statements had nothing to do with matters related to my UN work are just outrageous.
It is well documented now since the advisory opinion of the World Court in 1999 that the statements I made and quoted in the Commercial International Litigation journal were within the parameters of my UN mandate on the independence of judges and lawyers.
It was a universal mandate from the UN Commission on Human Rights. The immunity from legal process sought was not personal to me but that of the UN.
The UN sought the immunity under the Convention on Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations which Malaysia ratified without any reservation.
The reference to the World Court was made by a resolution of the UN Economic and Social Council. The opinion of the World Court was binding on Malaysia pursuant to the Convention.
Four suits were filed against me in 1995 by corporations and two individuals claiming a total sum of RM280 million in damages for defamation.
The two individuals are well known to Mahathir, hence his further anger when Malaysia lost in the World Court.
The statements I made about the state of the Malaysian judiciary after the infamous Ayer Molek case and reported in the journal in 1995 are borne out and justified in the light of recent developments and proceedings of the Royal Commission on the Lingam video clip. Lingam was one of the individuals who sued me.
No court, however, found my statements libellous.
The fear over the want of independence, impartiality and integrity of the Malaysian judiciary during the Eusoff Chin era is best illustrated by developments in four other suits filed by the same parties for defamation against a large Kuala Lumpur law firm and two of its partners.
It was over remarks made by the two partners and published in the same article in the International Commercial Litigation. The total amount claimed was RM280 million.
The defences of the law firm and partners were handled by the professional indemnity insurers whose headquarters were in London.
Realising that the defence was constantly losing on interlocutory proceedings in the suits, they no longer had any faith in obtaining justice before our courts. Rather than being saddled with a colossal award in the region of RM280 million after trial they decided and agreed to settle the four suits for a total of RM17.7 million.
Having recorded the terms before the courts here and paid the agreed sum the insurers filed proceedings in London before the High Court of England & Wales in 1999 against the publishers to recover the RM17.7 million or part thereof by way of indemnity and/or contribution.
In their defence the publishers pleaded, amongst others, “that the claimants insurers only decided to capitulate and pay the original plaintiffs exorbitant sums by way of ostensible damages and costs because they apprehended that the claimants would not have received a fair trial at the hands of the Malaysia’s internationally discredited judiciary and legal system”.
By June 2000 Mahathir’s attention was drawn to the conduct of Eusoff Chin and his breach of the Judges’ Code of Ethics justifying the setting up of a tribunal under article 125 of the Constitution.
He was shown those infamous New Zealand holiday photographs. Yet he refused to take any action whereas in 1988 he went out of his way to find flimsy evidence to act against Salleh Abbas. His motives were highly questionable.
Set up Royal Commission
In the light of all what I have set out (and there are many other instances) there is justification for Mahathir to be investigated for abuse of power during his tenure as Prime Minister.
As he himself has welcomed such an investigation I urge the government to seriously consider and set up a Royal Commission of Inquiry to look into just not abuse of power during his tenure as prime minister but also how he consolidated that power during his tenure.
About time someone speaks up for Dr. M. For all the wrongs that he did, he brought modernisation and civil society to Malaysia. Where would we all be if not for his single-minded determination to see Malaysia and her citizens become what they are today. He is a visionary leader unsurpassed by many. Malaysia is or was regarded as a tiger economy, her citizens held their head up high with pride.
ReplyDeleteHis contemporary, Lee Kuan Yew, also exhibited and practised the same dictatorial-type leadership in order to bring up Singapore to where she is. We can only blame ourselves for being the more corrupt, the less responsible, resulting in the less than sterling performance now.
I am fed up with the attitudes of all these supposedly well heeled, overseas educated (some), ingrates of Malaysia. How easily are you led by your noses that you cannot see the wood for its trees....
Dr N, 6:35 pm:
ReplyDeleteAre you implying that if someone does some good things but also commits some wrongs, that he should be vindicated on the basis that he did good things?
Tolonglah, jangan merepek.
Benar, sewaktu Dr. Mahathir menjadi Perdana Menteri, Malaysia membangun dengan pesat, terutamanya berbanding Indonesia dan Thailand (dan bukan berbanding Singapura, atau Korea Selatan yang mencatat tahap GDP yang sama dengan Malaysia sekitar 1980 tapi pada 2006 GDP Korea hampir 4-kali ganda lebih tinggi daripada GDP Malaysia meskipun negara itu tiada kurniaan sumber asli seperti Malaysia).
Walaubagaimanapun, adakah ertinya dengan sumbangan ini Dr. Mahathir harus diberi kekebalan terhadap segala salah-laku seperti korupsi, krisis sistem kehakiman dan Operasi Lalang, misalnya?
Haris Ibrahim:
ReplyDeleteJust wonder how you sleep at night Dr.M?
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/just-wonder-how-you-sleep-at-night-dr-m/#comment-13012
Rocky,
ReplyDeleteplease see kesilapan besar khairi in today's malaysia aktif
This strawberry guy, much appreciated for what you did, but did any of your work have certain impact on my everyday life, NO NO NO. And your comment sounds like as malay says "angkat bakul sendiri".
ReplyDeleteMr Yap, with all due respect,to say that this country is LAWLESS, certainly OXFORD dictionary is needed hear. But I do agree there are people who use and abuse the law, not only politicians but also lawyers like punjabi tua Karpal.
Let us be hypothetical, get Karpal or Kit Siang as PM, and see how long they last to rule a nation with multiracial.
Anon at 9.41, looking at Tun's well being from recent gatherings he attended, my opinion is that he sleeps much much much better at night compared to Dollah.
Kelate School Boy
Saudara Anonymous 12:46 AM (Kelate School Boy):
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment. In a blog, we make comments based on our viewpoints on an issue being discussed. The objective (matlamat) of this is that we obtain many different viewpoints, and get to consider different facets of an issue. Mungkin pendapat saudara berbeza dari pendapat saya. Tapi mungkin pendapat kita masing-masing mempunyai kebenarannya yang secara keseluruhan boleh memperkayakan pemahaman kita. Therefore, we hope that from this exchange we gain a fuller, more balanced understanding of an issue, and, ideally, an understanding that brings us closer to the truth.
Dalam ruang komen saudara, saudara berkata demikian: "but did any of your work [iaitu, komen-komen saya di sini] have certain impact on my everyday life?" Jelas sekali bahawa komen saya, komen para pembaca yang lain, malah warkah-warkah blog Rocky's Bru sendiri impact-nya bukan meletak nasi di meja makan saudara. Harus diingat bahawa impact atau kesan isu-isu yang dibangkitkan di blog ini bukan serta-merta dan nilainya bukan berbentuk wang atau keselesaan material. Isu-isu yang dibangkitkan oleh para pemblog yang bertanggungjawab seperti Rocky's Bru, serta komen-komen yang diberi para pembaca membantu mempertingkatkan tahap kesedaran rakyat mengenai isu-isu sociopolitik yang melibatkan kebajikan kita semua. Kesannya adalah kesan jangka-masa sederhana atau panjang, dan ianya berkenaan perkara-perkara yang tidak kurang pentingnya dari wang nafkah, iaitu perkara seperti keadilan sosial, ekonomik dan politik (social, economic and political justice). Matlamat blog sedemikian adalah supaya kita celik mata dan tidak mudah terpedaya atau tertindas. Masyarakat yang jahil adalah masyarakat yang mudah ditindas. Keadilan yang dikompromi akibatnya adalah kemerosotan masyarakat, yang dicirikan rakyat yang kebajikannya terabai dan hidupnya merana kerana golongan tertentu memperkuda rakyat dan mengaut keuntungan besar dari hasil titik peluh rakyat.
Berkenaan komen-komen saya dalam warkah blog ini, tiadanya soal mahu "angkat bakul sendiri", seperti dicadangkan saudara. Hujah yang saya kemukakan adalah berdasarkan etika dan logik mudah: kalau seseorang itu disyaki melakukan kesalahan, maka harus kita siasat dan dikenakan hukuman yang setimpal sekiranya dia benar-benar didapati bersalah. Maka kalau Dr. Mahathir disyaki melakukan kesalahan, marilah kita siasat sebaik-baiknya dan sekiranya salah, kita hukum. Itu sahaja. Cuba kita fikir sejenak: adakah patut, atau wajar atau adil tanggapan bahawa oleh kerana Dr. Mahathir telah memberi sumbangan kepada negara, maka beliau bebas dari penyiasatan berkenaan kemungkinan salah-laku sewaktu beliau perdana menteri?
Seorang pemimpin yang baik itu mari kita beri penghormatan yang sepatutnya. Tapi usahlah dia diagung-agungkan. Dia bukannya Tuhan, tapi manusia juga, bukan sempurna tapi ada kelemahan. Penting sekali perlu diingat bahawa tiada sesiapapun yang terkecuali dari lingkungan mutlak undang-undang.
I say bro this Mahathir guy is living in a fantacy. He has committed so many crimes against the citizens of our country. He knew very well that our great father of Independence YM Tuanku Abdul Rahman in his wisdom has ensured that our constitution has four safegaurds i.e. The Sultans, The Executive, the judiciary and lastly the rakyat. He went out to dismantle each of the safegaurds, the sultans, judiciary and the rakyat making the executive so powerful so that he can have his way and piratise GLCs' to hand over the wealth of the country to his children & cronies. And he has the gall to condem our Pak Lah...I hope Pak Lah will get the RCI to korek, korek, korek to the extend of Mahathir's involvement and send him to Sg Buloh.
ReplyDeletehope the 'suara keramat rakyat' Tun Mahathir doin something to protect bangsa melayu dr terus jatuh tergolek2.
ReplyDeleteaisya,
ReplyDeletekenapa dr. mahathir saja yang boleh 'protect' bangsa melayu dari 'tergolek2'?
lagipun, dia bukan melayu -- dia mamak lah, bapa dia india.
so mari la kita cari orang melayu utk cakap pasal bangsa melayu!
Mengapa tiba-tiba sekarang pembayaran Ex-gratia ini timbul.
ReplyDeletePada Sept 2003 sehingga sebelum piliharaya baru-baru ini Pak Lah tidak pernah menyebut langsung pasal pembayaran ini.
Tetapi selepas kekalahan teruk pada pilihanraya yang lalu, barulah dia mengumumkan pembayaran Ex-gratia ini.Apa motif sebenarnya?
Adakah ini cara membalas dendam Pak Lah terhadap Tun M diatas komen-komen yang dilemparkan olehnya sebelum ini?
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ReplyDeleteMengapa hanya sekarang timbul pembayaran Ex-gratia? Kenapa tidak masa mula-mula Pak Lah jadi PM pada Sept 2003 hingga sebelum pilihanraya baru-baru ini pembayaran tersebut dibuat?
ReplyDeleteTetapi selepas kalah teruk pada pilihanraya yang lalu tiba-tiba malam semalam terus umum nak bayar duit tuu. Nampak sangat tiada keikhlasan dalam tindakan membayar ex-gratia tersebut. Hanya semata-mata niat untuk membalas dendam terhadap teguran yang dilemparkan oleh Tun M dan memenangi semula undi rakyat terutamanya geng-geng perundangan ini.
Why is it that most of these pro umno blogs won't allow comments?
ReplyDeleteBROS N SIS,
ReplyDeleteSAYA BUKAN AHLI POLITIK ATAU YG MENYOKONG MANA2 PARTI POLITIK SAMAADA YG KERAJAAN ATAU PEMBANGKANG.SAYA CUMA NAK KOMEN ORANG2 YG MENGUTUK TUN.U ALL NI DAH PERFECT KE?DAH BIJAK SANGAT KE?DOK MENYALAK DLM BLOG MMG LAH HEBAT,AS IF KALIAN NI MR.KNOWALL.CUBA ATUR SATU HARI DAN FACE 2 FACE DGN TUN N DISITU CAKAP,KOMEN,KUTUK DIA WHATSOEVER.RASANYA KALIAN YG TERKUCIL BILA BERDEPAN.HE IS A WISE MAN LA BEB.DIA BOLEH JAWAP APA SAJA SOALAN KALIAN TANPA RAGU2 DLM APA SAJA TOPIK YG DIBANGKITKAN.EVEN LEADERS DUNIA PUN TABIK DIA.YG PELIKNYA RAKYAT MALAYSIA(BKN SEMUA)PULAK CONDEMN DIA.MANA ADA PEMIMPIN DUNIA YG DAH PENCEN NEGARA2 LAIN NAK PINJAM?PRES AMERIKA...TAK!PM BRITAIN...TAK!PM JEPUN...TAK!TAPI TUN SEBALIKNYA BOSNIA NAK PINJAM,IRAQ NAK PINJAM,SALAH SATU NEGRI DI INDIA NAK JUGA PINJAM.YG MENGUTUK TUN NI ADALAH MEREKA2 YG TAK RETI BERSYUKUR DGN ALLAH YG TELAH MENGURNIAKAN MALAYSIA SAORG PEMIMPIN YG HEBAT.ADA YG MENGATA TUN TAK LAYAK MEMPERJUANGKAN HAK2 ORG MELAYU KERANA KETURUNAN MAMAK.APA HINA KE JIKA BELIAU MAMAK(JIKA BENAR MAMAK).APA ALLAH TA'ALA CUMA SUKA ORG MELAYU SAJA DAN BENCI PADA KETURUNAN LAIN SPT CINA,INDIA,MAT SALLEH,INDONESIA DSBNYA!?
KES SALLEH ABBAS PULA JIKA BETUL TUN MENYINGKIR DGN CARA TAK BETUL SUDAH TENTU THE NEXT DAY TUN KENA SUE DGN TSA.TSA BUKAN ORG BODOH,KERANA TIAP2 HELAI RAMBUTNYA ADALAH UNDANG2!!TAPI KENAPA DOK DIAM AJE FOR 20YEARS!?DTG LAK SORANG OPPORTUNIST NAK TUNJUK HEBAT DGN MEMBAWA EX-GRATIA UTK TSA N D GANG.YG SI OPPORTUNIST TADI TAK SEDAR YG BELIAU JADI KAYA-RAYA SEKARANG DARI ERA SIAPA.AS TUN SAID,MELAYU MUDAH LUPA!
BRO N SIS,NEGARA KITA NI TERDIRI DARI 3 BANGSA DAN 3 UGAMA UTAMA,SO BUKAN MUDAH UNTUK DITADBIR.PM MESTI MEMERINTAH CARA KUKU BESI SEBANYAK 30% SUPAYA DPT DITADBIR DGN SEMPURNA.TAPI LA NI TGK LA DGN PAKLAH,KONON NAK LIBERAL TAPI NEGARA MENUJU KEHANCURAN.HAL2 YG TAK PERNAH TERLINTAS DIKEPALA SEBELUM DAH MULA DIPERSOAL SPT KETUANAN MELAYU,MENCIUM KERIS,MUNCUL LAK EXTREMIS INDIA DAN MCM2 LG.HAL2 SPT INI TAKKAN HABIS2 SAMPAI KIAMAT SELAGI CARA TUN TAK DIGUNAKAN.SAYA TAHU ADA YG TAK SETUJU DGN KOMEN2 SAYA......BUT WHO CARES IT'S UR OWN FUNERAL.